tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post1193053550467708481..comments2023-11-02T05:04:59.172-04:00Comments on Third Base Politics: Teachers for Senate Bill 5Nick (aka Bytor)http://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-65408291813966762952011-04-14T09:02:30.731-04:002011-04-14T09:02:30.731-04:00Your "facts" are more Right Wing talking...<i>Your "facts" are more Right Wing talking points. Why don't you bring up "Cadillac Healthcare", "Golden Pensions" and "High Class Wages"? </i><br /><br />Thats a good way of avoiding the facts of the issue JLM. See, I don't need to use those metaphors. And I never called any teachers bullies or anything like that. Thanks for the straw-man argument, but it doesn't work here.<br /><br />Public employees in Ohio have powers and privileges that their neighbors, who PAY them, don't have. Period.<br /><br />The CB laws we have give the unions more control over the size of local government than the voters. Period.<br /><br />The unions don't want to lose the power they have, that the regular citizens don't have.<br /><br />The fact that you avoid these statements, and choose to put words in my mouth that I never spoke, shows just how weak your argument is.<br /><br />Run along now scamp, and go tell on me to your union boss!! Hurry!!Nick (aka Bytor)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-76458700497718928962011-04-14T08:56:22.696-04:002011-04-14T08:56:22.696-04:00So why is it a good idea to let a California teach...<i>So why is it a good idea to let a California teacher's organization influence policy in Ohio? </i><br /><br />Ah, the plunderbund talking points.<br /><br />Who says they are influencing policy? Its an alternative organization for teachers who don't want to be in the union. Thats all.<br /><br />I'm sorry that the prospect of someone having the CHOICE to join a group offends you so deeply.Nick (aka Bytor)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-10637281329271576082011-04-13T22:26:43.258-04:002011-04-13T22:26:43.258-04:00Your "facts" are more Right Wing talking...Your "facts" are more Right Wing talking points. Why don't you bring up "Cadillac Healthcare", "Golden Pensions" and "High Class Wages"? while you're at it. SB5 proponents still paint public workers with a paint brush that portrays them as mob type thugs bullying the state into caving to their unreasonable demands. That ain't reality, pal. It's Right Wing fantasy, of the type that you guys are so adept at spinning.<br />Just like your "Kasich saved Diebold from leaving" mirage.JLMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-39590117551114801452011-04-13T20:14:04.734-04:002011-04-13T20:14:04.734-04:00So why is it a good idea to let a California teach...So why is it a good idea to let a California teacher's organization influence policy in Ohio?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-38438008409735780522011-04-13T10:14:20.468-04:002011-04-13T10:14:20.468-04:00Yes, we know what collective bargaining means, JLM...Yes, we know what collective bargaining means, JLM. Our collective bargaining laws give public employees a special protected status over their neighbors. That's a fact.<br /><br />It means that in the name of labor peace, elected state and local officials are often forced to give unreasonable contracts to labor with the taxpayers money.<br /><br />Unlike a private corporation who is dealing with their own money, public employers often have no skin in the game. Its not THEIR money they're agreeing to pay.<br /><br />If the unions dont agree, the elected officials have to worry about the possibility of a third party arbitrator imposing mandatory terms on their citizens, that they cannot afford.<br /><br />They don't "come to an agreement" on a level playing field.<br /><br />For most of the private sector, the market determines wages and employment. It shouldn't be any different for public employees.Nick (aka Bytor)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-84519305186515107612011-04-12T21:40:39.387-04:002011-04-12T21:40:39.387-04:00"doesn't mean..they should have the power..."doesn't mean..they should have the power over their employers..to dictate the terms of their employment."<br /><br />It's called a collective bargaining agreement. Do I have to define what that means? Labor and management get together, they bargain, they come to an agreement and decide on a contract and abide by its terms. You and others who support SB5 put forth the idea that teachers and public employees are schoolyard bullies who force management to agree to their unreasonable terms. This scheme is a smokescreen being used by Republicans to hide the real issues of this debate, union busting and attempting to weaken the Democratic Party by doing so. Kasich is handing out corporate welfare like Halloween candy, Diebold being the latest recipient. Keep it up, pal, Wall Street Johnny would be proud of you.JLMnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-49090602059372632582011-04-12T18:04:13.650-04:002011-04-12T18:04:13.650-04:00Because its a teacher's organization that esch...Because its a teacher's organization that eschews the unions?<br /><br />Got it.<br /><br />Maybe if they charged as much as the unions do, you'd think they have merit.Nick (aka Bytor)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-90712856238729546992011-04-12T17:42:47.718-04:002011-04-12T17:42:47.718-04:00After reading up on the background of this "o...After reading up on the background of this "organization", it is apparent that this is without merit.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com