tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post8404713687274173929..comments2023-11-02T05:04:59.172-04:00Comments on Third Base Politics: Fallacies in the conservative case against Kasich's shale planNick (aka Bytor)http://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-62422385810140941772012-07-28T20:26:47.365-04:002012-07-28T20:26:47.365-04:00Hmmm.... Strange that Matt Mayer and his cohort Ch...Hmmm.... Strange that Matt Mayer and his cohort Chris Littleton who is connected to the Ohio Liberty Council are working hand in hand with Plunderdumb and Redfern against the Governor. There's got to be something to that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-38199148058711738372012-07-27T12:06:26.651-04:002012-07-27T12:06:26.651-04:00It's not closing a loophole. It's raising...It's not closing a loophole. It's raising a rate to lower another. Closing a loophole would be like getting rid of a tax expenditure.Modern Esquirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-32566927369559457872012-07-27T12:05:10.305-04:002012-07-27T12:05:10.305-04:00Nick, are you saying the companies that pay this t...Nick, are you saying the companies that pay this tax aren't wealthy compared to the people who are going to get this pittance of an income tax. You say it's not Robin Hood, and yet the entire reason Kasich is able to lower the income tax is by raising the tax on a smaller, wealthier tax base. <br /><br />I'm sorry, but you're more intellectually honest for arguing in favor of progressive taxation over regressive ones than to argue that this isn't Robin Hood-style economics.<br /><br />Of course, to me, you lost the debate when you hinged your entire argument that if the critics were correct, it would be that Sarah Palin is a hypocrite since she is.Modern Esquirenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-41514673629107348132012-07-25T19:59:26.474-04:002012-07-25T19:59:26.474-04:00So, the TEA Party also thinks the Wall Street Jour...So, the TEA Party also thinks the Wall Street Journal believes in socialism. I have no idea why someone would want to run for office when you have to appease this kind of crazy. Does closing a tax loophole and returning it to taxpayers represent Robin Hood? Nutty.<br /><br />Tom, if you really think being to the right of Rick Perry is where the GOP needs to be, any reform will be stunted. I stand with Palin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-49478032414345807782012-07-25T18:08:48.858-04:002012-07-25T18:08:48.858-04:00Thanks for your reply, and the correction, Tom.
T...Thanks for your reply, and the correction, Tom.<br /><br />This is just an issue where we disagree. There is no Robin Hood scenario here. There is no stealing from the "rich". And the benefits certainly aren't going to the "poor". That's a misrepresentation of what severance taxes are.<br /><br />This plan will benefit our income tax structure and economy like it has in other states. And the drillers aren't going anywhere. The risk of losing the investment is virtually nil. An opportunity to capitalize on the resources our state has, for the benefit of almost everybody, is an easy choice to make.Nick (aka Bytor)https://www.blogger.com/profile/15826772166599084105noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-45571010269582209202012-07-25T11:32:03.924-04:002012-07-25T11:32:03.924-04:00Boy, the OLC is losing all kinds of cred. Palin,Pe...Boy, the OLC is losing all kinds of cred. Palin,Perry and Kasich have socialist tendencies?! I am a tea partier, but this is ridiculous. Mr. Zawistowski, you are barely treading water and do not speak for me.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-9975756529534448722012-07-25T08:44:01.898-04:002012-07-25T08:44:01.898-04:00We can agree with Nick that our press release shou...We can agree with Nick that our press release should have read:<br /><br />“Under the current rules, the oil and gas industry paid $16 million in state and local taxes in 2009, including severance taxes, and by 2014 it is projected by the Ohio Chamber of Commerce that the industry will pay $433 million per year. It is unnecessary to raise taxes when this industry is already on track to dramatically increase tax revenue.”<br /><br />We can also agree that the severance tax is only $16 million of the $433 million in taxes. However, we can not agree that this makes our entire argument invalid. <br /><br />The fact is that the oil and gas industry will increase its total tax payments by $417 million PER YEAR in just five years! Why is that not enough? Why do you need to raise their taxes when they are already going to significantly increase their tax contribution? That is punishing success and that is wrong and is counter productive.<br /><br />And this is redistribution of wealth. Our Governor is playing the role of “Robin Hood” who is taking money from the rich and giving it to the poor - but not keeping anything for himself. We don’t want to hear that this is not stealing money. It sure is stealing to the rich guy who is out the money! Taking money from the oil and gas industry and giving it to the general public and then saying it is not a tax increase is the same thing. It's a tax increase to the people paying the tax increase!<br /><br />We also take exception to the idea that TEA Party members who supported Sarah Palin or Rick Perry also support their taxation of the oil and gas industry. We have significant problems with Sarah Palin’s view of who owns the resources in the ground. She would agree with your statement that “The wealth is in Ohio's ground. This plan would take that wealth in the ground and use it to reduce taxes for Ohioans.”<br /><br />The wealth is in Ohio’s ground??? Oh really? Our reading of the Constitution and US and Ohio Law says that the wealth in the ground belongs to INDIVIDUAL Ohio citizens - not the State. Some of these people have been paying property taxes and farming that land for 100 years and they own it all - including the mineral rights. Neither the state nor Ohio Citizens own those rights except for those on state owned property - as it should be. You have no right to “take that wealth in the ground and use it to reduce taxes for Ohioans.” It does not belong to you.<br /><br />This is where “conservatives” like Sarah Palin and Rick Perry and apparently our Governor go off the conservative ranch into a socialist, government controlled view of America that we usually see from our comrades on the left. What makes America EXCEPTIONAL is individual freedom and liberty, individual PROPERTY RIGHTS, the rule of law, and Freedom of Religion. The role of government is to protect and defend the constitution not to shred it whenever it needs to score some political points and win votes.<br /><br />The way to make Ohio “more competitive” is not to raise taxes on the oil and gas industry but to keep our taxes low so that they invest in Ohio and not other states or places. The way to cut taxes is to reduce government spending and return the cuts to the people. Not to take money from one industry and give it to citizens and then claim you cut taxes. This plan is as we said in our original release “un-wise and un-necessary.”<br /><br />Tom Zawistowski<br />President<br />Ohio Liberty CoalitionAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15940861774582914419noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-79319606600823614982012-07-24T09:42:06.908-04:002012-07-24T09:42:06.908-04:00Starting?Starting?Brian T.noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7743530438680774250.post-48692325717589413132012-07-23T23:12:55.103-04:002012-07-23T23:12:55.103-04:00The people against this are starting to look more ...The people against this are starting to look more and more foolish.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com