Ohio Democratic Chairman Chris Redfern said Tuesday,
"when inflammatory language is used by political commentators and observers suggesting if you believe differently about health care or taxes that you are somehow un-American, or a socialist or a Marxist, you become a target for those who already have their own set of challenges."
Or perhaps, like calling people who oppose Obamacare "f***ers", Chairman Redfern? And this guy wonders why Ohio Democrats were slaughtered in November. I'm not sure why he still has a job, but just like Nancy Pelosi being minority leader in the House, I am thankful that Ohio Dems are keeping him as the face of their party.
But we all know Democrats mean well, so it's o.k.
ReplyDeleteRedfern is a punk who is hanging onto his job by a thread.
ReplyDeleteChrissy was all cocky when he cheated his way into his job with Ted Strickland's strong arm henchmen.
Now, Chris Redface need his shit filled nappy changed. I don't envy whoever gets the job of changing this smelly and dirty administration.
Believe it or not, Timmy Russo was saying this sort of stuff in Plunderworld right after the Dems got smoked last November.
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Timmy said, "It is important to remember how Chris Redfern became chair. He played hardball inside politics, with Ted Strickland’s support, and owes his job to the ... strong arming and threats to people’s jobs and livelihoods, that resulted most spectacularly in Stephanie Tubbs Jones being shouted down and told to shut-up in public. (at the Ohio Democratic Party Christmas bash when Redfern seized office).
With that in mind, I'm now remembering when Timmy joined-up with the Lords of the Plunderworld
http://tinyurl.com/4anbj2r
It's sad to see the Plunderworld stab Timmy in the back - sniff sniff.
http://bloggerinterrupted.com/2010/12/message-to-readers-supporters
You're comfortable pointing out hypocrisy comparing statements from 3mo ago to statements made this week of the Democrats, but can you take that fine lens of yours and examine your own party? Your own leaders?
ReplyDeletePlenty, plenty of leaders and Democrats and progressive pundits have said, you know what, this language does not help advance our country and whomever said it was wrong and we should do better in the future. Try watching Keith Olberman's editorial on this point alone.
Language has power, otherwise politicians wouldn't have speech writers or communications directors (especially some paid so well!) or press secretaries. Going forward, hold your leaders and party members to the same standard that you expect Democrats to hold theirs.
I for one will not stand for violent or ignorant rhetoric that adds nothing to debate or solves problems, no matter the mouthpiece. Too bad you guys can't do the same.
Jungdem, perhaps you should follow the advice of the President, and not assign this tragedy as a result of "political discourse". He made a good speech the other night about it, perhaps you heard? He himself agreed that this crime was not a result of the "dialogue". Just an insane nutcase.
ReplyDeleteI blame the perpetrator of the crime. Not anyone else. If you want to blame some other people for Loughner's actions, have at it.
Bytor - perhaps you should read what I wrote. Where do I even equate the speech with Saturday's tragedies?
ReplyDeleteI DO NOT in my post and personally even remotely believe or suggest that poltical rhetoric or the disgusting tone of campaigns of late caused Saturday's tragedy. And for good measure, so you don't equate my progressive nature with it - DO NOT believe we need more gun legislation or reactionary legsilation limiting first and second ammendment rights in the wake of this tragedy.
DO NOT equate my belief that we can do better in our public discourse with such statements of causality.
One of your supporters on this very post used words like "punk" and "henchmen."
No disdain for that?
But you jump all over me for saying what? That everyone of us should either elevate the debate and solve problems or shut up? WTH?
Wow! I'm confused on this one! Why is it inflammatory language to call s socialist/Marxist, a socialist or a Marxist? That would be praise. Right? Of course maybe some socialists or Marxists actually know the are pushing bankrupt, enslaving ideas?
ReplyDeleteJungDem: "but can you take that fine lens of yours and examine your own party? Your own leaders?"
ReplyDeleteNo, I can't really because, with very few exceptions, responsible conservative and republican leaders and elected officials have NOT MADE public remarks wishing ill-health, injury, or even death on liberals.
But we have seen literally dozens of these outrageous remarks made by all stripes of liberals and progressives -- even those who are elected officials. They averaged several a day during the run up to the election this fall.
In fact, Limbaugh, Hannity, Beck and O'Rielly, over the past few days, have all done a great job of laying out all these quotes and even videos of democrats/liberals/progressives wishing ill will of all kinds on conservatives and republicans.
Your side has not done the same because you have essentially nothing to report.
The slime in this country is on the left not the right.
He won't stand for it! This is coming from a guy whose favorite blog uses a fist for its avatar. Quite violent indeed.
ReplyDelete“If you think you’re going to stop us, you’re crazy. You will not stop us. We will beat you … This is our chance. … If you’re not on the bus, we’ll run over you with the bus. And I’m not kidding.” -John Kasich
ReplyDelete"You know why there's a Second Amendment? In case the government fails to follow the first one." - Rush Limbaugh
"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” Rush Limbaugh
" I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days" -Ann Coulter when asked how to talk to liberals.
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building." - Ann Coulter
And I'm sure you could in about 5 minutes time find just as many stupid quotes from Democrats or liberal pundits - all equally heinous as the quotes I have listed above.
Tit-for-tat regarding past commentary is not going to do anything for anyone with real problems. I honestly believe that liberals, independents, conservatives, and even "tea" party followers can agree on that.
So when Chris Redfern, the director of the Ohio Democratic Party follows the lead of the President of the United States, he's chided on it with comments made 3mo ago.
When I say "Going forward, hold your leaders and party members to the same standard that you expect Democrats to hold theirs." you somehow link my comments to a false connnection that I blame rhetoric - direct or otherwise - for Saturday's tragedy and gloss over the fact that you were completely off base, wrong, and downright insulting to insinuate anything like that.
I'll ask again, going forward FROM HERE since it's obvious you abhor the same speech I do - will you hold your leaders to the same standard you expect democrat leaders to do? Will you call out people who use violent, foul, hateful speech and rhetoric for what it is? For what it DOESN'T add to the conversation?
Jungdem: I didn't jump all over you, I only referred you to the President's speech. But my bad for assuming you agreed with Redfern.
ReplyDeleteIn my opinion, this is all a red herring, anyway, for the purposes of smearing the tea party and Sarah Palin (not a fan).
Political speech isn't any worse than it ever has been. There have been times when congressmen had physical fights on the House floor and carried guns to work.
The point in the post, is that people like Redfern are accusing people on the right of using "heated rhetoric" and causing Loughner to go over the edge, when Redfern himself is one of the most uncivil people in politics.
Bytor: I appreciate you admitting you were wrong to conflate what I said with an erroneous assumption of what I believe.
ReplyDeleteNo where in Redfern's post does he point to either side. In his comments he is including himself (he doesn't say as much but he says "comments" and "pundits"). In his video you posted from three months ago, yes he does. When a leader steps aside and includes himself in the problem and the solution moving forward, it's leadership. Could he have been more explicit like Olberman was in his editorial? Yes. But if you're using this quote to mock him, why would he give you an inch of "my bad" for you to use as well?
He is the leader of my party and I will hold him to this quote. Again, I hope you can do the same for those who are leading factions like the "tea" party and Ms. Palin.
JungDem, you are wrong when you write:
ReplyDelete"One of your supporters on this very post used words like "punk" and "henchmen." "
Who says I'm a "supporter" of this blog? Actually, I'm a Dem who despises Redfern to my core. His foul and deceptive words cause my brain to regurgetate furiously.
I have only seen slime and corruption ooze from Chris Redfern's pores. This evil being resembles disgusting excrement far better than he represents the values and causes of left leaning citizens of our state.
Anyone, regardless of whether they are left or right, can clearly decipher that Refern is no good.
How about Joe Hallett's column in today's Dispatch.
ReplyDeleteChris Redfern personally did a public records request on the wife of a Plain Dealer columnist who criticized Ted Strickland.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/editorials/stories/2011/01/16/snooping-on-journalists-family-is-new-low-for-democrats.html?sid=101
Then again, this is nothing new for Chris Redfern's Democrat Party in Ohio:
-The Democrat hacks in the Department of Jobs and Family Services who did illegal searches on Joe The Plumber because he asked then candidate Obama a question.
-Jimmy Dimora arguing with a Plain Dealer reporter outside his office. Dimora then proceeds to bring up the reporter's wife and her employment with a school. At about the 2:45 mark in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN6BhlmoblM
-This is nothing new for the Democrat Party.
Chrissy - I meant suppoter in terms of the slam against Redfern - and used your post to illustrate that Bytor had no problem with someone who agrees with him (regardless of party) to use foul language but shame if Redfern does in a private meeting.
ReplyDeleteAnnonymous -
-The Dem who did that with OHJFS was fired and did so not at the request of any party operative and decided to break the law all on her own. Don't equate the behavior of one democrat with the entire party.
-And really, even most democrats agree that Jimmy Dimora is a black sheep and embarassment and is subsequently irrelevant now.
-And Hallet's column is fuzzy at best. When asked outright, Redfern says that it wasn't going after family. I'm assuming you have such outrage for the same people who harass Connie Shultz because of what Senator Brown does for a living? And when Mayor Coleman's wife was investigated it was because she was a public employee and not the mayor's wife, right?
Perhaps I should link Rep. Boehner with Tom Delay's most recent conviction and sentence. I mean, using your logic, any time a Republican acts terribly it's the actions of the whole party, right?
A Democrat going after the records of a private citizen? Gee, that never happens.
ReplyDeleteRegards,
Joe The Plumber
DECEMBER 19, 2005 - THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHRISTMAS PARTY ELECTION
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Despite bitterly cold weather, old timers said this was the largest turnout they could remember. The vote for a new chair took place before the actual party.
Besides delegates, the room was jammed with special guests and delegate supporters, especially for the two leading candidates – Dennis Lieberman and Chris Redfern. Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin, who tried valiantly to preside over the meeting, was clearly at a huge disadvantage because the unruly audience consistently participated in the proceedings – cheering and booing on cue.
Obviously, the Ted Strickland-Sherrod Brown coalition (including the old-guard of loser-leaders) had everything prearranged for Redfern’s election. In particular, they changed the rules from secret paper ballots to a stand up vote in order to follow through on widely reported pre-election intimidation of the delegates (to vote for their hand-picked Redfern).
When the vote tally confirmed Redfern’s election, he was duly sworn in, and read a prepared speech - calling for party unity, and promising he would be a full time chair, but actually as a part time chair since he will stay in the Ohio legislature, and even plans to run again.
Therefore, the Toledo Blade had a valid point in reporting that Republican Chair Bob Bennett was calling for Redfern’s resignation so that taxpayers will “not subsidize his new party job.” A December 24, 2005 Columbus Dispatch Editorial warned, “The Ohio Democratic Party boss shouldn’t try to handle two important jobs.”
The Cleveland Plain Dealer declared “the behind-the-scenes struggles have badly splintered the party…The party’s old-guard leaders, at the helm during years of miserable results at the polls, threw their weight behind Redfern. His campaign was orchestrated by Columbus labor leader Ron Malone, an informal adviser to Strickland. Lieberman drew his backing from the party’s minority leaders, some labor leaders and the big-city Democrats, including Tubbs Jones and Jimmy Dimora, chairman of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party.”
John McCarthy of the Associated Press wrote: “The Ohio Democratic Party elected a new chairman last week with the two challengers joining the victor on stage, their hands clasped in unity and the party faithful cheering. The scene, however, capped an hour-long shouting match more commonly found on trash TV.”
http://watchodp.blogspot.com/2006/01/agony-and-ecstasy.html
ReplyDeleteDECEMBER 19, 2005 - THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHRISTMAS PARTY ELECTION
Despite bitterly cold weather, old timers said this was the largest turnout they could remember. The vote for a new chair took place before the actual party.
Besides delegates, the room was jammed with special guests and delegate supporters, especially for the two leading candidates – Dennis Lieberman and Chris Redfern. Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin, who tried valiantly to preside over the meeting, was clearly at a huge disadvantage because the unruly audience consistently participated in the proceedings – cheering and booing on cue.
Obviously, the Ted Strickland-Sherrod Brown coalition (including the old-guard of loser-leaders) had everything prearranged for Redfern’s election. In particular, they changed the rules from secret paper ballots to a stand up vote in order to follow through on widely reported pre-election intimidation of the delegates (to vote for their hand-picked Redfern).
When the vote tally confirmed Redfern’s election, he was duly sworn in, and read a prepared speech - calling for party unity, and promising he would be a full time chair, but actually as a part time chair since he will stay in the Ohio legislature, and even plans to run again.
Therefore, the Toledo Blade had a valid point in reporting that Republican Chair Bob Bennett was calling for Redfern’s resignation so that taxpayers will “not subsidize his new party job.” A December 24, 2005 Columbus Dispatch Editorial warned, “The Ohio Democratic Party boss shouldn’t try to handle two important jobs.”
The Cleveland Plain Dealer declared “the behind-the-scenes struggles have badly splintered the party…The party’s old-guard leaders, at the helm during years of miserable results at the polls, threw their weight behind Redfern. His campaign was orchestrated by Columbus labor leader Ron Malone, an informal adviser to Strickland. Lieberman drew his backing from the party’s minority leaders, some labor leaders and the big-city Democrats, including Tubbs Jones and Jimmy Dimora, chairman of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party.”
John McCarthy of the Associated Press wrote: “The Ohio Democratic Party elected a new chairman last week with the two challengers joining the victor on stage, their hands clasped in unity and the party faithful cheering. The scene, however, capped an hour-long shouting match more commonly found on trash TV.”
DECEMBER 19, 2005 - THE OHIO DEMOCRATIC PARTY CHRISTMAS PARTY ELECTION
ReplyDeletehttp://watchodp.blogspot.com/2006/01/agony-and-ecstasy.html
Despite bitterly cold weather, old timers said this was the largest turnout they could remember. The vote for a new chair took place before the actual party.
Besides delegates, the room was jammed with special guests and delegate supporters, especially for the two leading candidates – Dennis Lieberman and Chris Redfern. Dayton Mayor Rhine McLin, who tried valiantly to preside over the meeting, was clearly at a huge disadvantage because the unruly audience consistently participated in the proceedings – cheering and booing on cue.
Obviously, the Ted Strickland-Sherrod Brown coalition (including the old-guard of loser-leaders) had everything prearranged for Redfern’s election. In particular, they changed the rules from secret paper ballots to a stand up vote in order to follow through on widely reported pre-election intimidation of the delegates (to vote for their hand-picked Redfern).
continued from above:
ReplyDeleteWhen the vote tally confirmed Redfern’s election, he was duly sworn in, and read a prepared speech - calling for party unity, and promising he would be a full time chair, but actually as a part time chair since he will stay in the Ohio legislature, and even plans to run again.
Therefore, the Toledo Blade had a valid point in reporting that Republican Chair Bob Bennett was calling for Redfern’s resignation so that taxpayers will “not subsidize his new party job.” A December 24, 2005 Columbus Dispatch Editorial warned, “The Ohio Democratic Party boss shouldn’t try to handle two important jobs.”
The Cleveland Plain Dealer declared “the behind-the-scenes struggles have badly splintered the party…The party’s old-guard leaders, at the helm during years of miserable results at the polls, threw their weight behind Redfern. His campaign was orchestrated by Columbus labor leader Ron Malone, an informal adviser to Strickland. Lieberman drew his backing from the party’s minority leaders, some labor leaders and the big-city Democrats, including Tubbs Jones and Jimmy Dimora, chairman of the Cuyahoga County Democratic Party.”
John McCarthy of the Associated Press wrote: “The Ohio Democratic Party elected a new chairman last week with the two challengers joining the victor on stage, their hands clasped in unity and the party faithful cheering. The scene, however, capped an hour-long shouting match more commonly found on trash TV.”
JungDem:
ReplyDelete"You know who deserves a posthumous Medal of Honor? James Earl Ray [the confessed assassin of Martin Luther King]. We miss you, James. Godspeed.” Rush Limbaugh
Not really. You might want to check out Snopes on this one.
Dear Democrats
ReplyDeleteWhere is your outrage over the new number 2 at the Department of Health being a lobbyist?
Could it be because he's a big Strickland contributor?
They won't approve my comments over at Plunderbunk about this.
PlunderJunk or PlunderSkunk
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